Hi, this is Wayne again with a topic “Why Does This Keep Happening”.
Why don’t we roll into our next topic AMD is rolling out a fix for burnt ryzen, x3d CPUs? Let’S go ahead and pop this up here. This is originally covered by extreme Tech. I think well, not maybe not originally, but they’re. One of the sources we’ve got.
Oh and on Tech, it’s covered this as well all right. So here you go. This is a good look at the picture here.
Yikes, that’s uh! That’S a spicy! Cpu socket right here! Uh AMD released an official statement. Thanks Gavin, we have root, caused the issue and have already distributed a new ajisa that puts measures in place on certain power rails on am5 motherboards, to prevent the CPU from operating Beyond its specification limits, including a cap on SOC voltage at 1.3 volts. This doesn’t affect their ability to overclock memory using Xbox and P kits, or boost performance using PBO technology. They are expecting this fix to roll out through all of their board partners and blah blah blah. Apparently, Asus and MSI had already implemented their own fixes prior to AMD and had suggested that excessive voltages in Expo memory profiles had allowed the soc voltage to reach unsafe levels um. They did not clarify if there were any other issues that they found or whether non-x3d processors were also at risk, but I would be, I would be kind of surprised if they were they’ve been out there for quite a lot longer at this point, and they draw Quite a lot more power, so if you’re yeah, if you’re running at the same voltages or higher in some cases and you’re drawing more current, I really don’t see um. How we wouldn’t have noticed this at some point. Um Steve from Gamer’s Nexus is apparently acquired speed. Rookie, that’s the that’s the username of the owner of that CPU speed, rookie, CPU and motherboard. So maybe there’ll be some kind of further Insight.
But if amd’s got this nailed down and they’re not just issuing a denial um, then it seems like it’s probably probably solved at this point I mean that definitely looks like power got out of hand. Yeah um I mean I’m, not I’m not an electronics engineer. So um Dan’s holding his phone like this, which is uh. Oh, oh, oh, oh car key, I see hello.
Wife, do you want to say hi to the windshield she Shrugged? I think that means yes at least that’s how I interpret it late at night. If you know what I mean, I mean what shrunk it’s kind of ascent, anywho, bye, um Riley is adding a discussion question right now: Riley Riley Riley go home. Yeah work, work day’s over uh, but asks has more Hardware been failing recently than used to be the norm, or is this kind of thing more normal than it seems to me I mean cpu’s, failing yeah, that’s that’s pretty abnormal yeah yeah Hardware in general. I would say, probably no to be honest, but CPUs, yes, yeah. If anything, I would say the designs for motherboards these days are far more robust than what we used to have in the past, with like electrolytic, capacitors and stuff, like that caps were. That was fun, at least for enthusiasts the emphasis that gets placed on cooling these days by manufacturers. I think that while they’re certainly pumping more power through these things, there’s a lot more heat output, yeah, there’s a lot more attentiveness to um to to keeping things cool and maintaining the longevity of these devices like as a whole. The industry has learned a lot about the the doodads and gizmos that they’re playing around with right and, if you’re a manufacturer, you do not want a failure, at least not within the one to three years, that most of them offer a warranty on their products.
So I mean with that said: I’m not saying that mistakes ever get made, I’m not saying mistakes never get made. I mean you ask someone like a Lewis Rossman about you, know, MacBooks and he’ll tell you all about design flaws for days or whatever, but you know overall, I can’t say that I’ve. I can’t say that it seems any worse to me. Yeah, oh yeah, like we said kind of at the beginning, probably not worse overall, but it is surprising for it to hit CPU CPUs, have always kind of been the like rock solid piece of Hardware in your computer.
Go through multiple boards for one extremely long term. Cpu sometimes yeah yeah and I feel like woefully unreliable stuff, was way more common back then, like think about the early 680i motherboards, remember those they were awful, they failed all over the place. Everybody knew it.
I haven’t seen just a known bad part like that. In a long time, yeah I feel like we might have, we might have had like a few years there where it was abnormally low and we might be coming back out of that, and that might be. Why he’s feeling it more, but it was definitely like yeah.
It was definitely pretty freaking bad yeah float, plane chat, shout out OC, Zoo yeah, I mean their memory modules would just drop dead spontaneously because RAM used to like one of the first things I would check when diagnosing computers was, does it have liquid caps and then, If there’s a problem, does that have liquid caps? No okay is the ram dead like and ocz would literally create kits of what was called utt memory, okay, which is short for untested. They would. They would have these utt memory kits. They would sell them at like these insane speeds and really low latencies and high voltages, and I think they were just playing a numbers game where they they bought.
This like cheap bargain memory, basically went yeah if anything goes wrong. With it lifetime warranty, we got you and then they just counted on few enough of the buyers actually running those volts through them and in the event that they did few and enough of them bothering to RMA it yeah, because you know what realistically, what do I Really even want a replacement for this or because the technology industry was moving so fast. Would I rather just upgrade to something else at this point anyway, you know what forget it. I think I think that was the entire basis of their company yeah. I mean I agility ssds. Anyone, oh you know, what’s funny, is so some of yeah that that model, where they just buy all this like trash, Sometimes some of it works for a really long time. I was gon na say so I was actually the product manager for OCC at NCIX for a short period of time and their Ram was fine in those days other than the very high spec stuff other than the very high spec ddr2. But that could have easily been down to the memory controllers just not being able to handle it because it was early days of ddr2 and it was rough. I don’t think we’ve had a worse transition than the one from ddr1 to ddr2, at least not since then, anyway, yeah DDR3 is kind of rough anyway, the point is uh. Their Ram was actually mostly pretty good in those days and depending on the batch, the ssds were actually super reliable.
We had this. We back in the day yeah this green OCC agility three. I just looked it up to make sure that I was right yep and that thing went through, probably years and years, a ton of junk over a lot of years, except when they had bad batches yeah.
This is sort of thing, because that’s the thing is it was this gamble. Is it bad? Qc is not always a problem, it’s not. It doesn’t mean bad products.
It’S only a problem when you don’t catch something yeah yeah right. So that’s this is why okay, so we we used to do these factory tours um and we would often get pushback when we would try to show their failures because they would have like oh a failure, bin or whatever, where like something didn’t work out, so they Sennheiser yeah was super mad. They didn’t want us to show. It was um, failed drivers, yeah and we were like no like.
This is a good story, because this shows you’re not going to ship them. Yes, oh man. We had to twist their arms so hard, like. I don’t like profiling, but Germans, okay, German perfection, there’s a sense of you know again.
This is something I just like. I can’t relate to right, but there’s this like cultural sense of pride in in German craftsmanship right um, so they didn’t want to show that there could be a flaw and I’m sitting here going. No, no, no! No! No! This is a story about about like painstakingly um, thorough German quality control.
It doesn’t have to be a story about make it right. The first time, every time yeah like we were trying to showed that it was cool that this happened, we weren’t trying to dog on them, but it took it, took some convincing. I think, eventually they did yeah. We did end up, including that in the video – and I felt that that was a truly really important part of the story agreed uh, because they really did care a lot. They actually tried, and I mean I I did – that video testing out cheap sports Tech a little while ago and if you don’t match the frequency response of the drivers in each year.
It’S a noticeable problem in the listening experience, but that’s what they were doing was. They were finding ones that didn’t meet their standard and they were making sure that the drivers were appropriately matched really great story: yeah yeah Ben, that was a hilarious Factory. Seeing the German versus the Japanese approach like almost back to back right. There was only a few months in between was really eye-opening because we went to Omron afterwards yeah, both sort of both countries and cultures. Excellence are well respected around the world for exactly that, but they come to this conclusion. The same conclusion in such utterly different ways: right so I mean man um, I forget.
If it was, I was it Sennheiser or cherry. I think it might have been Sennheiser. These were both in Germany, but they had these. They had these bulletin boards, and I will remember this forever. Till the day I die first of all, both of them spotless. Remember this too. This was wild, yeah, okay, spotless like it didn’t it didn’t, look like a factory, it didn’t smell like they were definitely making stuff.
You could eat off the floor. You could eat off any surface. Yes, I swear to you yeah um anyway.
They had these bulletin boards. You know spaced out, you know very evenly um and they had things like perfectly. Like safety bulletins schedules upcoming events uh, you know workplace safety notices all that kind of thing and then in one corner I think it was the corner they had just this arrangement of rectangles and I I stopped. I stopped the tour and I said it is that to make sure that the way that all the other bulletins are posted is exactly the same on everyone and they’re like yeah, yes and um, and so so interviewing people there and talking to them, not just the Business people we got to talk to Engineers as well.
There’S um, there’s there’s a different philosophy, so when uh – and it was really interesting looking at both cherry and Omron, because they both make fundamentally the same thing right so um at Cherry there was oh did. We talk about how we were also at ZF. I don’t know if we did in the video. Ah statue of limitations, I’m sure they’re not going to get mad about it at this point anyway. Uh.
The point is we also got to check out some ZF stuff. Even if it didn’t make it into the video, so ZF does a lot of work for the automotive industry, which is kind of a thing in Germany, right, um and anyway, the but but it’s the it’s, the Cherry MX switch versus. It was the Romer G that Omron and Logitech, who actually sponsored the video, was really focused on and after after talking to everyone and seeing everything that we did, the the bottom line thing that I came away with. You know the the two sort of different approaches to this same ultimate. End goal. The two philosophies – um was, the German attitude – was make it perfect make it once make it last right, whereas the Japanese approach was make it really good, pretty darn good, make it pretty near perfect um and make it twice and make it twice and make it last.
So the way that the Cherry MX switch works right is there’s uh, there’s a contact, but there’s only one. It’S a gold-plated contact and Cherry will talk. Talk your ear off for a week about you know how they fine tune.
The old you know leaf on the thing and the you know the size of the bump and blah blah blah blah, whatever else right uh, but in the Romer G there’s actually two. So if one of them fails, the other one still works and the switch operates. Normally – and I just thought – I thought those those two approaches to the design of a reliable switch were so cool, so interesting, um, probably there’s no cost benefit one way or the other, making it absolutely perfect. Every time versus making it mostly perfect, but with redundancy, but it just came down to design philosophy, and I just I thought you can see that in a lot of other products, a lot of other companies from those countries as well.
It’S very interesting and the Omron Factory also very clean, oh yeah, and I would eat off of most surfaces, but not quite all, you know like it was okay if the bulletins were not arranged exactly the same way on every single board, that was, that was okay. You know yeah .