Hi, this is Wayne again with a topic “SCAMMED on Chinese Craigslist…”.
I signed a non-disclosure agreement with Intel that prohibits me from reviewing any of the 12th Gen core Alder Lake family chips that they sent me until the embargo lifts.. What it doesn’t prevent me from doing is going out on the open market and buying this core. I9. 12900K engineering sample on Chinese Craigslist.
Is it legit How’s it going to perform? Should you go? Buy engineering samples to get early access to upcoming platforms? Will Intel ever talk to me again. The OBSBOT, tiny 4K gives you a smoother webcam experience with AI powered, auto framing gesture controls and 4K recording. Learn more at the end of this video or at the link in the video description. ( upbeat, music ). This cost me 4500 Chinese Yuan, which is about a 100 dollars more than a retail chip, but I’m hands-on with what is supposedly the core i9 12900K or at least some variation of it.. Now I’ve talked about this in detail before, but when you buy anything other than a retail chip in a sealed box, you’re risking a number of things., It could have been tampered with, Maybe IHS swapped with another lesser CPU..
It could be faulty. Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa., Or it could be an early engineering sample with entirely different performance characteristics.. I believe that this one falls into that latter category..
Let’S have a closer look at this thing., So you can see it’s not square. Like Intel’s old CPUs.. It says LGA 1700., So it has 1700 contact pads on the bottom.. We can surmise that many of these extra pads are for additional connectivity or additional power.
Delivery.. Theoretically, this is a top spec chip., So it’s gon na have 8 performance, cores 8 energy, efficient cores and a total of 24 threads., Since the performance course will have SMT or hyper-threading, and the efficient cores will not.. Frankly, it looks exactly like our retail sample other than the fact that it says Intel confidential at the top.. So where did it come from Here’s the thing for any new release? Intel works with platform partners like ASUS and MSI to ensure that when the new CPU’s launched there are accompanying motherboards and with partners like Crucial or G.Skill to ensure that there are shiny new DDR5 memory kits on the shelf right next to them..
In order for that to happen, these partners need early access to processors. Like before. The specs are even finalized to test their hardware. Hundreds. Thousands of chips can go out as part of the sampling process. And inevitably some of them end up falling off a test bench into a technician’s pocket and onto the open market..
Once the retail chips launch, these engineering samples turn from pretty hot to pretty not., Because no one in their right mind would pay full price for a potentially broken CPU when they can have a perfect one.. But that hasn’t happened. Yet. Has it Now Anthony – and I already did a video outlining the main deets for the Z690 platform., But here’s what you guys need to know.. You can expect 16 lanes of PCI Express Gen 5 for your GPU or other high-performance. Add in carts 4 lanes of PCI Express Gen 4, which is also coming directly off the CPU for a high-speed NBME storage device and a DMI 4.0 connection to the south bridge or IO hub or whatever the heck they’re, calling it at this point..
It’S about equivalent to two Gen 4 by 4 links, which is double last Gen for lots of high-speed storage and network connectivity. For power users and workstation users. I do hope to see the X699 ATDT platform that leaked come to fruition sooner rather than later., But this is a great start and more than enough for most gamers., The memory slots can be DDR5 or DDR4, with support for speeds of up to 4800 mega transfers Per second or 3200., Not at the same time it’s one or the other., And any higher speeds are going to require the integrated memory controller on the CPU to be overclocked.. And that is one of the things that I’m expecting to be kind of crap.
About my engineering sample., You see there are different kinds of engineering. Samples. ES1 is typically gon na, be pretty early, often running at very low clock speeds, while they dial in the manufacturing, process., QS or qualifying sample, is at the other end of the spectrum and can have issues, but it tends to be basically retail silicon with a Different stamp on the heat spreader. ES2, which is what I have in theory that lies somewhere in between., So on paper, this should be pretty close to full functionality, but often with higher power consumption. Lower clock speeds, turd level memory compatibility, especially when you’re moving to a new type of memory. Ddr 5, that kind of thing., Oh thermal compound., I’m gon na need that.
What a gaming beast. This thing is supposed to be.. We don’t want any bottlenecks., So we’re going RTX 3090 very last gen technology, okay.
PCIe Gen 4., I’m kidding obviously.. I feel like I need to say that very fast.. Unfortunately, I’d have an LTT store desk pad over here and I’m not even showing off our best feature that you can get it in any size.
You want and it won’t have to hang off the thing. lttstore.com.. We have all different sizes.. Don’T do this., Don’t be this guy.
Moment of truth. Andy. ( switch clicks, ), (, CPU, whirring ), That’s a good sign. Where’s, the remote.
Now the thing about unreleased hardware is that you can’t exactly just look up error codes and see what problems other people have had and how they’ve solved them.. This motherboard has a button called the retry button.. Should we try it Man if I just got ripped off? I’M gon na be pretty not stoked., Hi Hi, It’s not posting.. Have you tried clearing the CMOS? Well, I couldn’t find the pins..
Is there … There’s a button on the IO.? I really hope I didn’t just get completely. I mean I expected to get ripped off a little.. I was paying a 100 dollars over retail for an ES CPU..
You know I do it for you right [, Anthony ]. Can I have it after that? No no, not you.! I was playing at the camera. ( Anthony laughing ). If this doesn’t work, I’m mostly out of options here., I’m plugged directly into the onboard., I actually don’t know..
This might be at 12900 KF., In which case it won’t have any onboard video.. So everything is fine, except for that it isn’t working.. This is why Dr. Su will always beat Pat Gelsinger in a fight..
I wonder if Intel’s done something to brick compatibility with ES chips in retail, BIOSs’., (, CPU, whirring ). I’Ve never heard of them doing that before, but I also haven’t played around with ES chips for any of the most recent platforms.. So I’m gon na try another PCIe slot., Maybe there’s a problem with the Gen 5 slots or something I don’t know. Should’ve bought.
Two. That’S the solution.. After going through four more motherboards from two different vendors, we’ve figured it out.. The POST codes seem to indicate that the CPU is working, but we can’t get a display out because at some point in the validation process, motherboard manufacturers switched over qualifying samples or retail chips and Intel issued a management engine update.
That seems to break compatibility with ES 2 chips., Since they are engineering samples that ultimately are supposed to be returned to Intel or discarded. Intel is obviously not going to burn engineering resources, fixing compatibility with them., So Linus bought a paperweight.. I guess I’ll call Linus and break it to him. Hey.
Hey, so I got some bad news for you.. You just bought a $ 700 paperweight. Oh.
Okay. Yeah., Like it powers on, but it’s like some version thing with the BIOS.. It’S like just not gon na work.. I wish it was at least heavier’cause. It’S not a very good paperweight.. Well I mean you could weigh down one sheet of paper, probably maybe up slightly.. Thank you very much for that.. Okay, thanks for finishing the testing. Yep.
Bye. Bye.. To be honest, while I was hoping to run some performance tests ahead of the official release, these kinds of compatibility issues are not that uncommon, with engineering sample chips. And we’ve even seen examples before of sellers who list not only their engineering sample for sale, but also Specific boards and BIOS revisions that they have validated to work. And maybe something like that is going to emerge in the future for these ES2 Alder Lake samples. But as I outlined before, whenever you’re buying something like this.
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Users. – And you can get yours today at the link in the video description., If you guys enjoyed this video, maybe check out the ES chips that we bought for our six workstations one CPU project after I accidentally dropped one of the official ones that Intel gave me Rendering it inoperable. Those ones we locked out and they did work..
They just offered poorer performance, because the clock speed wasn’t as high .