Hi, this is Wayne again with a topic “Microsoft heard us!”.
Let’S jump right into our headline topic for the day, which is, of course, that Alex managed to get the VP of Windows, platform and services on the phone to go over some of our concerns about Windows, modern standby. First of all, I want to give Microsoft credit because, on the one hand, yeah they’ve clearly sat on ass on this issue for well years at this point, but on the other hand, now that we have raised it as a problem. Now that the community has spoken and made their voices heard that this is a problem that affects them day to day they appear to be taking it really seriously. So, let’s start with kind of Alex’s interview and go from there first Alex asked: why is S3 sleep? Being removed from the boss of laptops, oh no, we should give the people a bit of a catch you up.
If you didn’t catch the original video did you watch the video? No okay. So when does Modern standby or S zero sleep is a connected type of sleep that is meant to replace the traditional S3 sleep. It’S supposed to be connected, more power efficient and generally a boon. It’S been brought about in no small part by Intel’s push for a more smartphone-like experience on Windows laptops. The problem is that a lot of the time when the machine is sleeping, I mean I’m sure, you’ve encountered this. Have you ever come to your laptop found it to be piping hot, with a dead battery after you folded it and put it in your bag? Yes, I also have like I’ll try to put my desktop to sleep all right, separate issue. Okay, yeah.
I don’t want to talk about that before now. Uh, oh, oh! I I left it in the camera, then um. So we basically came out and said. We think we figured this out uh. We think it’s to do with some kind of it seems like high performance machines are disproportionately affected, so it’s it’s something that the machine can be churning away on. While it’s supposed to be sleeping, we figured out that by disabling the network, connected aspect of this type of sleep on a Mac we were able to.
We were able to get rid of that behavior, which we have also seen on a Mac, not even an Intel Mac right interesting. So it’s just it’s just a weird. It’S a weird Quirk of of this type of sleep State um, and we basically made a video calling out Microsoft, saying hey: this has been a problem for literally years. This cannot be because you already suffer from worse battery life compared to your main competitor Apple. Who is gaining market share in the mobile computer? Space? You’Ve got to deal with this because it is, is killing the experience of using a Windows laptop yeah. Like I talked to someone like Jake and I’m sitting here, I’m sorry you charge your laptop like once a week, that’s impossible for me because half the time I go to grab my laptop, it feels it’s probably not half, but it it feels like every time I Go to grab my bloody laptop, I might as well flip a coin for whether I’m gon na have any battery life. You have to go somewhere without a cable. You might as well not even brought the laptop exactly yeah exactly so we were trying to light a fire at Microsoft and it seems like it worked. So the first thing Alex asked was: why is S3 sleep being removed from the bios of laptops? Because that’s the problem is you couldn’t even just say: look I don’t want s0. I want S3 when there’s this industry move towards eliminating S3.
So here’s the answer. Microsoft is moving away from S3 sleep because how each device goes to be because how each device goes to sleep is controlled by that device’s firmware. That means for a device to sleep properly. The firmware needs to be updated and maintained by the company that made said device and, as you can probably guess that doesn’t happen all the time.
Big problem with Windows being put on so many different things by using S zero sleep. Instead, Microsoft has more control over sleep and has a much higher success rate of everything going to sleep properly and waking up properly compared to S3 sleep – and I have to admit, I was wondering too well. What was the problem with S3 sleep, but then again, I also know back to your desktop comment that there are plenty of problems with S3 sleep yeah like say, for example, disabling wacon, mouse or wacon keyboard in the Bios and yet having it magically wake up. If you so much as bump your mouse anyway or just wake up randomly yeah right, I had this thing for a while, where I had to put it to sleep three times every time. It would just wake back up again like five minutes later and then I could finally get it to go down, and I had a lot of people comment on this video.
Why don’t you just shut down your computer? Why don’t you shut down your computer? If it’s an advertised feature of the product, you don’t get to complain about me complaining about it. That is a problem that is objectively a problem and I don’t want to hear it so so what you turn off your computer, I don’t give a, but if the computer is supposed to go to sleep, I am well within my right to expect that it will Go to sleep! Okay, it’s like a child right! The child is supposed to go to sleep. So if it doesn’t go to sleep well, you’re well within your right to yell at it and Shake It, I’m trying to make it so people don’t take me too seriously. When I’m going home, because some people can’t tell the difference, okay, all right – and I also think sometimes it’s like the backing into parking spaces – things like you might have a lot of time when you are done using said device. But you might know that the next time that you have to start using it you’re going to need to use it quickly, but you don’t want to just let it sit there running the whole time, and I guess you wanted to sleep. I get that your needs. Might not be the same as mine, but that doesn’t make them the only valid needs that too, and I’m not saying that your way shouldn’t be supported. That’S the thing I’m not saying! Well, everyone should shut down yeah you shouldn’t shut down. I’M saying you should be able to do both. We should have choice.
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