Hi, this is Wayne again with a topic “Intel Wants My Business Back.”.
Amd left the Enthusiast Community hanging, and I took that personally because, based on their promised upgrade path, I invested heavily in threadripper workstations only for AMD to quietly completely abandon the high-end desktop space that prosumers and small businesses depend on it’s not that they didn’t have a Socket compatible successor product, they just made the business decision not to launch it, but what’s this Intel is launching their Sapphire rapid Xeon W processors and get this offering 64 Lanes of PCI Express Gen 5 for just 30 dollars more than a mainstream Core i5. Is the high-end desktop back? What else does Sapphire Rapids offer? Is it too good to be true good, like our sponsor jackery jackery’s, Explorer 1500 power station provides 1500 watt hours of capacity and allows up to seven devices to charge simultaneously only four hours are needed to recharge the jackery from zero up to eighty percent. So why wait get 10 off with code Linus Tech tips at the link down below? I understand amd’s decision to abandon the hedt or high-end desktop Market. Some of it is rooted in pretty solid logic.
Their mainstream 16 core CPUs are enough for just about any multi-threaded prosumer workload and very few people will fully appreciate the other benefits of HTT like who needs two terabytes of memory in their gaming system or half a dozen PCI Express expansion cards. But that’s never what hgdt was about. It was about making those features available for those who do need them or even just want them.
I’M talking about the folks building home Labs, the hobbyists and enthusiasts, who are just getting started with scientific or simulation workloads. The small businesses who need the performance and the features but can’t afford the premium for certified Hardware from Big vendors like Lenovo. That’S who AMD abandoned! Why? Well, because it was much more profitable to slap Pro on the box and sell that same silicon for way more money, but then I mean how’d. They get away with that right.
Well, to give you some idea how competitive Intel’s last hedt lineup was with threadripper 3000. Here’S what they cost at launch and here’s what they’re still worth today that complete Smackdown of Intel’s attempt at competition happened three years ago, which, coincidentally, is also the last time that AMD bothered to launch a product in this segment. It’S almost like. We need competition and no Corporation is going to innovate without it. Thankfully, it really does seem to be here.
Intel’S announcement today is taking a page straight out of amd’s book and attacking not just the ridiculously expensive threadripper pro which they may or may not be competitive. With we’ll have that linked below, but also the hole in the market that was left open by the death of the non-pro threadripper lineup, with an honest to goodness hedt lineup, that starts at No Lie under 400. Now, can you get a better CPU for 400 dollars? Probably especially when you factor in the cost of the motherboard six cores, hardly impressive, no matter how fast they are, but would that other CPU have 64 pcie, Gen 5 lanes and support for two terabytes of VCC memory.
I didn’t think so so for the right customer. This is an absolute godsend and it’s been a long time coming seriously for the uninitiated. These chips have been stuck in development hell for over five years, due in large part to teething pains for Intel’s Infamous 10 nanometer node, which has now been renamed Intel 7..
Now that the production woes seem to have been ironed out and wafer yields are presumably good enough, though Intel’s finally announced hard details on these next-gen workstation processors split into six tiers named Xeon W3 through W9 and then separated into mainstream workstation and expert workstation segments. Regardless of the tier, though, all these new chips are based on the golden Cove architecture that Intel used for their performance course in their 12th gen mainstream processors, meaning that we understand the performance characteristics pretty well, and that gets us pretty excited and there’s some bonuses. They’Ve restored the missing AVX 512 support and they’ve added Advanced Matrix extensions for Accelerated deep learning.
They also come for support with ddr5 with ECC and Intel V Pro with an 8X DMI 4.0 link to the w790 chipset, which adds capacity for an additional pcie, 16 Gen. 4 slot, plus up to five 20 gigabit per second USB 3 ports integrated two and a half gig networking and Wi-Fi 6E over half the lineup is also unlocked for overclocking too, making these actual spiritual successors to the core x-family. Now the mainstream or 2400 series provides 64 pcie Gen 5 Lanes direct from the CPU, with support for any combination of up to four gpus or 8 nvme storage devices. To go with that allotment.
You get up to 24 cores for the W7 chips which are unlocked or as few as six cores, but I suspect that most people won’t be interested in the base models and it seems like Intel agrees, since anything under 12 cores is going to be OEM. Only the pricing, for what you can buy, though, is pretty exciting, since the 16 and 24 core chips are Christ more in line with OG threadripper than new threadripper Pro. You aren’t getting as many cores as threadripper, but we already know these cores are fast and you’re. Getting support for two terabytes of quad Channel memory to go along with that massive pcie allotment or to go with your massive all black stealth Edition, LTT desk pad all sizes are the same price. You can get them at lttstore.com. I can’t say the same for Intel’s expert line. They are more expensive, but for good reason, Intel is finally rolling out their emib interconnect in a four tile Arrangement, so their first desktop chiplet processor. But while it is superficially similar to the way that OG threadripper arranged its processor dies, they are much closer together, which should reduce the latency in communicating between the chiplets.
Now the pricing for these chips mainly lines up with threadripper Pro, which I get seeing as its pcie Lane count and four terabytes of eight channel memory. Support are comparable as well, but I’m still a little disappointed either way sitting at the top of the stack is the W9 3495x, which tops out at a whopping 56 unlocked cores with over a hundred megabytes of level 3 cash and a stock turbo of 4.8 gigahertz Amd’S threadripper Pro 5995wx, meanwhile, can claim more cores and cash, but we already know from ryzen 5000 versus 12th gen core. That Intel is likely to crush any current threadripper in single threaded tasks, especially thanks to ddr5 memory and while threadripper Pro’s pcie Lane count is comparable. The speed is not, I did a double take when I saw these numbers. The entire w3400 expert line offers up 112 PCI Express Gen 5 Lanes. That is just shy of double the total bandwidth of amd’s 128 Gen 4 lanes and allows for any combination of up to seven gpus or 28 nvme ssds.
All that raw power, of course, though, means that it’s not going to sip current from the wall with Intel advertising a massive 350 watt base power and up to 420 Watts nice max turbo Power compared to threadripper Pro’s 280 Watts. Now these numbers are not directly comparable. You’Re going to have to wait for the full review for us to measure them, but, needless to say, you are going to need some pretty hefty cooling to keep these things under control, especially if you’re using it in a rack, mount chassis and especially if you are Planning to overclock now, obviously, a lot of what we’ve said so far is based on speculation. Sauce me Intel, didn’t even publish any performance figures relative to AMD, so all we can do is extrapolate based on what we know about the architecture of these chips and the advertised clock speeds. But as it looks right now, Intel is gearing up to take a serious bite out of the lucrative workstation business. That AMD has built up for itself over the last few years and ride in as a savior for those of us who have been waiting on something anything to fill the Gap that amd’s one gen Wonder trx40 platform left in our hearts.
On that note, something that may go under appreciated here with sapphire Rapids is the fact that both the mainstream and expert series use the same socket both as each other and the new Sapphire rapid Xeon scalable CPUs LGA 4677. This wasn’t always true of previous gen corex, Xeon, W or Xeon scalable CPUs. Now we’re pretty sure this is going to cause some confusion. You might see, for example, motherboards that are really designed for 112 Lane CPUs and don’t fully work with 64-lane chips or Intel May arbitrarily lock down chip compatibility, whether it’s by chipset model or motherboard firmware.
But if we assume that they execute this in a somewhat reasonable way, they can provide not only a clear upgrade path if you want to buy into the platform with a basic chip today and upgrade later, but a better accessory ecosystem for both their workstations and servers. Especially when it comes to coolers being able to just move them around, that would be great, all of which is not to say that AMD is in danger. Just yet it’s just that competition has finally returned in this specific segment and they might need to. Oh, I don’t know actually bother to launch a compelling product, or maybe they just won’t. The business unit they’ve been gaining the most ground in over Intel.
This past year is one that is far more important to both of them than hedt server and data center. Unfortunately, for Intel 4th gen epic, Genoa has been living up to its name with up to 96 cores in a single chip and they are not slow cores. You actually need two of Intel’s brand new Xeon Platinum, 80, 468v processors to match that thing, and that comes in at about a 20 higher price with the added overhead of managing two pneuma domains.
So if epic Genova is a taste of what threadripper 7000 could bring to the table, Intel’s Victory here could be short-lived or even entirely hypothetical. We’Ll see. Sapphire rapid CMW is going to be available beginning in March, with pre-orders available now from system integrators. Not that we would ever recommend pre-ordering and AMD meanwhile has yet to release their Zen 4 based storm Peak threadrippers. So now the ball is in their Court.
Those have been rumored for launch in September this year, but if we’re lucky, perhaps these Sapphire rapid xeonws will make AMD, see fit to expedite their plans and rumor. Has it they’ll be returning to the HTT space with non-pro threadrippers as well, though? It’S also rumored that they’ll continue to have separate TRX and WRX motherboards. Unlike Intel. We’Re gon na have to wait for AMD to confirm this or deny it. We’Re gon na have to wait and see how the performance lines up and we’re gon na have to wait to hear about our response.
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