Hi, this is Wayne again with a topic “Intel Needs to do Better… and so does AMD – Zen 3 on X370 Boards”.
They said two years of support was enough.. They said “. If you want a new CPU you’ll have to buy a new motherboard.”. Asrock said “ No.”, That’s right. It started out as a hacky work around, but on January 12th, 2022 ASRock rolled out official support for installing a brand new AMD processor in a motherboard from four years ago., Which raises some burning questions like if AMD and ASRock can do it.
Why can’t Intel, And is this one of those situations where, just because you can do something doesn’t mean you, should It’s a situation where I’m gon na tell you about our sponsor? That’S for sure., Thanks to Kemp for sponsoring today’s video. Kemp develops load balancers that provide maximum reliability for applications in both virtual and cloud deployments. Object, storage, optimization web application, firewalls and more. Get your free load balancer at freeloadbalancer.com or at the link in the description.
( bright, music, ) AMD and their partners have done an amazing job over the last five years or so supporting both backward and forward compatibility between Their multiple generations of CPUs and chip sets on the AM4 socket., Though it hasn’t been without hiccups. At its launch in 2016, AMD promised compatibility for the socket through 2020 only to pull the rug out from under us when they announced that their Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 Series chips would still use them AM4, but only with the latest X570 and B550 chip sets.. Now they quickly backpedaled and added official support for B450 and X470, but the messaging was “. That’S all folks.
We’re doing you a favor here., Don’t expect it to get any better.”, And yet here we are all the way in 2022 discovering that their original promise ended up being true., At least to a point.. Meanwhile, Intel’s strategy for over 10 years has been to release a new socket. Almost every other generation like clockwork, physically breaking compatibility, so there’s been no way to challenge their narrative that we needed a new motherboard every time around., But then something happened. A few years ago.
Socket H4, more commonly known as LGA 1151 lasted for four whole generations of chips., But Intel still stuck to their story that the early boards couldn’t run with the later chips and vice versa.. Now to be fair. While the socket and the pin layout itself, hadn’t changed, allocation and usage did change. For Coffee Lake, which was the third generation of chips on this socket.
Some of the previously reserved pins were reassigned to add power and ground lines to meet the requirements on beefier, six and eight-core CPUs.. That’S pretty understandable, but Intel also relocated. The processor detection pin breaking compatibility.. They called this socket LG 1151 revision 2.
In order to help differentiate. But stuff like that is a big part of why so many people find building computers complicated., It can be scary spending, hundreds or even thousands of dollars on parts only to find out that, yes, they fit together, but they don’t actually work. Together., Unlike our processor hoodie, that goes great with just about anything. Lttstore.Com. Practices like these are a big part of why we and the majority of the PC industry. Don’T advise you to attempt to future-proof your build because, no matter what you do, it’s only gon na get you so far, whether it’s the next generation of RAM PCI Express or even IO..
How many of you wish you had a USB-C port, for example. There is simply no way to guess which investments into better parts will bear fruit and which ones will end up having been just a waste of money. Unless you believed AMD and ASRock for that matter.
Back in 2016 and splurged on this motherboard, the ASRock X370 Pro 4.. The idea at the time was that if you were a savvy shopper, you could save a few bucks by going with an affordable, Bristol Ridge, Athlon X4 chip and then hold off and upgrade later. When either you had some more cash or you took advantage of one of the best practices by trailing the bleeding edge by a generation or so., So you might’ve waited until Ryzen 2000 launched and then snagged a snappier Ryzen 1500X from someone who was upgrading then. Man. That is savvy..
Why don’t we do some role-play, I’m you. Boy? The years haven’t treated you well., But they’ve been a lot less kind to your poor four-core eight-thread CPU, with its piddly 16 megabytes of level three cache.. Now here’s the thing.. Remember I’m you.! I don’t wan na download some hacky BIOS from a Russian forum, so I’m going to the CPU support section on my motherboard’s download page., And would you look at that? It’S there. So for just $ 270 for a 5600X. That is what my dumb friends will end up paying for their new Intel, motherboard alone., I’m gon na be on the latest.
Generation. Freakin’ get wrecked., But there are some catches.. Unlike my friends, I will not be getting cutting edge features like PCI Express, gen, five or even gen four for that matter.. I’M gon na have to update the BIOS of my motherboard to piece 7.10, which removes compatibility for older chips, which can carry some risk. And unless I want to invest more money into my machine, say by upgrading my original DDR4 to something faster. I might not be getting the most out of my new chip., So am I actually getting a good deal? Let’S test it, out.
Now short of a power outage occurring in the middle of BIOS flashing. You should be okay. If you follow along., We had to get this specific board – the X370 Pro 4, but on the ASRock forum we already found evidence that support is rolling out to X370 boards more broadly and we’ve heard rumors that other manufacturers may follow suit.. So all we need is our test bench here. Some peripherals, a USB drive and we’re gon na have links for all this stuff in the description down. Below., We’ll also need an internet connection., So you’re gon na wan na unzip, your new BIOS and drop it onto an otherwise empty FAT32. Usb flash drive.
FAT32 is still the default when you format it in Windows for lower capacity drives. But if you wan na double check, you can just look in the properties once your drive is plugged in., Once you’re ready, restart the system and mash or hold F2 or Delete to enter the UEFI BIOS.. Now we’re gon na ignore the majority of this and just go to the Tool.
Tab., Hey, I get it., That’s not funny. And select Instant, Flash and steel yourself, because once we take this next step, there is no turning back.. The Bridge BIOS that we’re going to use removes support for Bristol Ridge CPUs and cannot be unflashed, at least according to ASRock’s website., So we’re gon na do this BIOs then another one, and we should be ready for Ryzen.
5000.. Oh and I hope, you’re ready because we’ve got a video upcoming about GPU shunt modding that you’re gon na wan na be subscribed. So you do not miss..
This is gon na, take a minute, so. And reboot.. What’S that Just hold it.? No! I like mashing it.. I’M a masher. I wan na make sure that’s the correct version.. We actually should’ve done that before.
“. Do you wan na update ?”? Yes, I do.. Hopefully we have all the …
Secure flash check, fail. Whoa and it’s off. I mean I did say this process.
Wasn’T without risk didn’t I I looked it up and apparently this can come up when you’re using a thumb, drive with too much capacity, which is exactly why I keep this piece of crap. In my little bag of tricks., It’s a one. Gig pen drive completely generic USB 2. And we’re gon na throw the BIOS file on there.. Fatty 32 is what I call this boy. It’s my fatty 32..
Oh there, it is.. Yes, it’s got it. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Come on come on., Yeah, All right.
Fatty 32 to the rescue. All right. Well, we don’t actually wan na boot. Right now, ,’cause.
We are gon na put a 5600X in … Ow. We are gon na put a 5600X in this mamajama.. Okay, come on.! Now we’re gon na try., It’s gon na do its best to defend its socket from us.
Okay. Argh [, Andy ], Pre-applied thermal paste., Yeah yeah.. Please subset that I am reusing the thermal paste on the bottom of the heat sink.. If we were doing any kind of comparative thermal analysis, obviously I would reapply fresh paste, but we’re not.
We’re just getting it running, and this is fine. Everything’s fine.. Everything is good. Here, catch..
No, I’m not gon na I’m not gon na. I’M not gon na throw it. Geez, you guys give me no credit around here., Okay, new CPU, installed., Blah blah blah structure, change, blah blah., Yes reset., And this is where we would lose all of our data.. Why is this on here? If we had been using …
Was that, on my shoulder the whole time, [ Andy ], Yeah., Oh for crying out loud., I wanted to change to a shirt you can actually buy on lttstore.com. So I had the thing.. Ah look at that..
Look at that.. It sure didn’t go to 3200., It’s at 2133., All right, so we’re gon na have to try and re-enable our DOCP memory profile here.. I don’t know what to expect in terms of memory.
Speeds., Obviously we’re getting a much newer memory controller, but I also know that motherboard manufacturers have learned a heck of a lot about optimal memory, trace layouts for Ryzen in the last four years.. So maybe this will just ( clicks, ) go and maybe it’ll go.. I don’t know. And remember: you can’t have success without succ..
Sorry, I’ve been in a bit of a mood today., I swear I’m fine. And there we go. Right to 3200 no complaints, whatsoever., We haven’t done any stability, testing or anything, but that’s definitely a good sign.. Pew pew pew pew pew pew., Melee melee..
I don’t know how to melee in this game.. Oh yeah, you got ta switch to knife okay., I’m gon na get them.. I’M gon na get them. Pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew., Pew pew, pew pew.. Oh no, I got beat by a bot, But that’s okay, because the 5600X in our ancient X370 motherboard did not get beat by an X570 board.. That’S right.
Where’d! It go Where’s my X570 board. Ah there it is over there.. Okay, technically technically we came out behind our X570 board by about 15 FPS in CS, GO but we’re talking the difference between 545 frames per second and 560. So it’s not exactly a big deal.
Crazily enough. We actually came out ahead in “ F1 2020.”. So not only is our ancient board not causing any problems with a pretty powerful graphics card, an RTX 2080 Super, our PCI Express gen, three bottleneck isn’t causing any bottlenecks for us at all.. Again, I can’t speak to the future, but come on guys. Do you want more future out of this? It’S doing pretty well.. It all just goes to show you that sometimes trusting a company’s promise of years of support and spending a little bit more actually can pay off. At least one time it’s happened.. We did still obviously need to buy a new CPU, but we can keep the rest of our system exactly as it is, and get a massive uplift in performance with significantly higher boosting capabilities twice the level three cache to our 1500X, not to mention two more cores.. Now, over on the Intel side of things, LGA 1200 was just put out to pasture after just two processor generations and LGA 1700 has just launched., And I don’t think we’ve heard any kind of commitment to long-term support for that socket.
But the same is actually true on the AMD side of things.. Officially, they haven’t committed to any kind of long-term date for their upcoming PCI Express gen, five and DDR5 platform., But based on the success that AMD has had with AM4. I think consumers have signaled that longevity is something that they want to see more of, and I think the entire industry could do better..
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