Hi, this is Wayne again with a topic “Don’t Trust AMD”.
With AMD, releasing the thread, Ripper 7000 series for DIY users: do you think AMD will continue releasing processors for DIY users or do you think it will flip right back to OEM only despite Intel? Okay, this question requires a little bit of background um Luke. How up on the thread Ripper shenanigans that AMD has pulled, are you they did it? Everyone was stoked on it. They weren’t going to do it anymore, and then they did it again. Okay, that’s a very, very exin summary, but not a very accurate one. Okay, so why don’t we improve on that? A little bit uh I’ll I’ll? Give you guys a bit more background thread Ripper launched alongside or I think, shortly after the original ryzen 1000.
It was the same ryzen chiplets, but many many more of them and I believe the first generation went up to. I want to say 16 cores or was it 32 uh, whatever the thread? Ripper 195 50x was, let’s have a quick, looky boo, no information available for this page um. I oh man. Now I’m not going to get it right. I jinxed it nice and succinct lonus. I I jinxed it. I think your isn’t succinct or accurate. Okay.
I think the 1950 was uh 16. Okay was there? Was there a 1970 though this is this? Is like gray Market uh thread? Ripper information. Can you can you gray Market Tech tips? Can you not thread? Ripper was a CPU.
No, I was accurate. I was accurate. The first family went up to 16 cores and it the 1950x okay. What was cool about thread Ripper was that compared to Consumer platforms, it had Mondo memory bandwidth and a ton of pcie connectivity compared to server platforms or traditional workstation platforms. It didn’t support nearly the same amount of system memory, which was considered kind of a an Achilles heel.
Cuz. You had all these cores 16 cores in the 1000 series up to 32 cores in the 2000 series, which ballooned to up to 64 cores in the 3000 Series, which is flipping wild. But the 3000 Series, if I recall correctly, was limited to I want to say 256 megabytes of system memory. So you had all this bandwidth.
You had all this pcie connectivity. You had all this computer, but you couldn’t attach that much RAM to it, which was amd’s way of ensuring that they would have a way to differentiate their workstation and their server products from their Enthusiast thread. Ripper products. Now, as we made our way from uh 1 series thread, Ripper to 2,000 series thread, Ripper to 3000 Series thread, Ripper some stuff happened.
That was a little bit different from how AMD handled the consumer side of things. The first two thread rippers were on socket LGA. No balls, I can’t remember, hold on um yeah, okay, this, like summary article that I’m looking at oh yeah, there we go, um, socket T st4 and while on the consumer side of things, we got ryzen. 1,000, 2,000.
3,000. All on the am4 platform. In fact, all the way up to ryzen 5,000 stayed on the am4 socket for thread Ripper that actually changed when they went to Zen 2 with thread Ripper 3000 and we got socket trx4 now. The problem with that is that AMD committed at that time.
Hey we’re! Sorry, for changing away from socket s, uh, socket TR4 and moving over to trx4 um are bad. We we know we want to have better socket continuity than Intel and all we managed to do was Zen and Zen Plus on this one uh we’re going to do better next time, and then they promptly did not do better at all. Not only did we not get any new CPUs for that um socket. So, oh, not only did they change sockets on us, but we never got a single CPU upgrade for that platform thread. Rer 3000 never got a followup and, from my understanding, based on leaks, um based on rumors that I have personally participated in it’s not because they weren’t done, they were basically done the product, so updated, zen3 chips for uh strx4 and they just didn’t release them because It wasn’t nearly as profitable as releasing workstation or server chips under the thread Ripper Pro branding, which would come later actually two and a half years later on, uh socket W for workstation W RX8. So what we got was thread Ripper 1000 on S4 thread, Ripper 2000.
On Str str4 thread Ripper 3,000, along with a big boatload of broken promises on strx4, and then we got thread Ripper 5,000 Pro only on that workstation platform and they just never bothered with thread Ripper 5000 nonpr, which was a giant lugie in the face of everyone Who invested in strx4 like me to the tune of like a dozen workstations expecting to have upgrades available for it which never arrived? Because for video editing? We do need a fair amount of system memory yeah, but we don’t need more than I forget if it was 256. I think it was 256 gigs of RAM. That’S actually lots for us we’re not doing simulation work or or a AI, uh or AI work, or you know anything anything like that. It’S it’s plenty for video editing. We just want the performance and we want the pcie connectivity, so we can plug in extra devices like highspeed. You know fiber optic, network cards and stuff like that um.
So what was the question again right? I’M still not certain. If what I said was actually incorrect. I think it was just way too short yeah, so I didn’t realize we were doing like a whole history coming back to anonymous’s question here with AMD, releasing thread Ripper 7000 for DIY users. Not just for you know, workstation integrators.
Do you think AMD will continue. Releasing these processors for DIY, or do you think, it’ll flip right back to system integrators? Only oh yeah there was a short period of thread, Ripper Pro where it was system integrators only you couldn’t even buy them more broadly, but 5,000 you could buy assuming you could afford them because they went up to like $ 8,000 when the previous ones were not That expensive, because they were meant for consumers um. The answer is, I don’t know yeah because they’re lying holes, the fact that AMD gets a free pass from enthusiasts for you know, being an underdog or whatever is it’s baffling to me? They’Re also a company they’re, also interested in one thing, just like an Intel or just like an Nvidia, I think they’re, I think they’re I shouldn’t say just like an Nvidia nvidia’s got their own sort of. They have a particularly Brazen, um manner of pursuing actively and openly like dislike a large section of their consumer base.
Okay, so this is one of those things that’s complicated every time we kind of get into this. It’S like okay, corporately. I agree with you yeah, but I’ve met so many passion not individually. No, and I have as well for sure I know some people in Nidia that are that are great people, but just like the the corporate actions, the business actions are yeah.
So I just we just need to not. We just need to not believe them. I mean we can you know when we, when we do a video about it? If AMD says, you know yeah we’re going to support this socket for several generations and we’re going to do this and we’re going to do that. You know we we’ll tell you hey, they say that, but we’re also not going to ignore those broken promises from the past, and I think AMD has shown that they are capable of doing short-run processors like those uh, those cool x3d chips that they that they dumped A while ago, at Micro, Center and and somewhere else, I forget who had them in stock like it is conceivable that they could offer an upgrade to thread Ripper five uh thread: Ripper 3000 users still, but they they won’t. They don’t wish to um, and I don’t know I’m just I’m I’m very frustrated.
The good news is that these days, I I do also kind of get it now that we have consumer chips that are anywhere from 16 to 24 cores, depending on whether you’re on the Intel or AMD side of things. I think the necessity of high-end desktop platform is is less, but I am also glad to see them make a return, even if I don’t have a lot of trust that they will continue to support it. .