Hi, this is Wayne again with a topic “Destiny 2 Cheater F***s Around, Finds Out”.
In other news, Destiny, 2 yeah, yeah Destiny, 2, cheater, legally barred from all Bungie games, a prolific Destiny. 2 cheater has agreed to consent judgment in a U.S court, barring him from Ever playing a bungee game ever again. How on Earth could you enforce this? I have no idea: okay, but we’ll get to the the cheater who was 17 at the start of the lawsuit was found to have used. Cheat software extensively, evaded multiple bands and harassed and threatened Bungie employees. He has also ordered uh. He has also been ordered to pay Bungie half a million dollars in Damages wow wow, okay. He has likewise agreed to a restraining order, barring him from interacting with any current or future Bungie IP harassing any Bungie, employee or player of Bungie games or knowingly traveling. Within a thousand feet of any Bungie office or any home occupied by Bungie employees, I I don’t know, I don’t know much about this person and based on that they were 17. When this whole thing started, maybe their identity is not known. Do you got? Do you guys know is the is the name out there but, like I don’t know clearly, some some stuff went down yeah really. This is the latest in a string of legal action.
Bungie has taken against cheaters and Distributors of cheating software, including a 4.3 million dollar judgment against the distributor. Um aim junkies earlier this year. The specific case this specific case centered around one individual cheater, appears to be highly unusual. However, some modders have expressed concern about the basis of which the decision was made. The five hundred thousand dollar fine is in fact composed of 100 fines worth of two thousand dollars each for individual acts of ban evasion. 100 band evasion finds okay, so I think the prolific part was was quite genuine, as well as a three hundred thousand dollar fine for multiple instances of copyright infringement.
This larger fine was based on the argument by Bungie that the cheater’s use of code injection and graphical overlays qualified as creating an unauthorized derivative work in violation of federal copyright law. Okay, I don’t know if I like that precedent, maybe for multiplayer games. Oh, ah, no because Minecraft does that kind of stuff well now hold on a second, oh see, yeah! That’S the thing. On the one hand, if there was a legal framework for pursuing individual cheaters in games suddenly became illegal, that’s sweet! I actually like I.
I might. I might be okay with that yeah because, on the one hand, yeah there’s a lot of casual competition, but it’s like yeah but fair enough, then play a casual game with your friends play a custom game where everyone is on the same playing field. And then it’s fine, but people don’t treat gaming like that. Often people like to a large degree people do not treat gaming like just a casual thing where you know you can just uh no clip and and wall hack or whatever right.
So in much the same way that they regulate professional sports, I don’t see why cheating in games shouldn’t be a thing that yeah is is is punishable, however um. This is. This is running anything alongside the game, suddenly being a derivative work which, because remember the law, is a lot of the time centered around precedent right, not necessarily the original wording. This seems really dangerous. Yeah and like people are brought up in chat, uh. Someone said wow lets: you modify your UI wow lets.
You do a lot of stuff with add-ons um that I know there’s add-ons for various other MMOs as well, even when they’re not allowed by the developer. So that would now make that like criminal and what, if you’re doing it for accessibility reasons, but you don’t you’re not like you, don’t have the you know this. The sign for your rear view mirror, but you like do kind of need it or something like I gee yeah. That’S really, and it’s one of those things where you know you guys might say: okay well yeah, but blizzard allows that or that you know who, whatever else um well right right.
But what if it’s at their sole discretion and sure I don’t know this guy might have had it coming based on the 100 100 um fines, yeah, you know and and all the restraining orders against bungee employees and all that, like, like I said some stuff, obviously Went down here would need to know a lot more about what happened yeah, but based on uh, just based on people. You know being people. Do I trust every random gaming company whose game I buy on steam or whatever to to act in a consistent and benevolent way towards me? No yeah, not at all yeah, not even a little yeah. I like the idea of being able to Crunch down on Cheaters in multiplayer games um, but I’d I’d be highly concerned about how this could be used outside of that okay, we need to revisit something. I said before rolled gold and float plane chat, says cheating in a professional sport.
Slash game should be illegal, but in casual play making it illegal is going too far, but here’s the thing who decides that the game is casual. That’S not a unilateral decision. If you’re playing a ranked rocket League game and someone on the other side is cheating, that’s non-consensual, you also are you didn’t consent to it being casual you’re, trying to play the game in a ranked setting, and how do you define casual or competitive uh? Some people are talking about car tarkov in here, tarkov doesn’t have a competitive mode, tarkov also doesn’t have a casual. I think tarkov is implicitly tarkov is I think so as well, but it’s not technically ranked you just mentioned ranked. There’S no rankings sure it’s just everything is very serious: okay, um and honestly, as someone else also said in float, plane chat the amount of cheating in tarkov ruined the game.
For me, and now I don’t play so you can it can directly, even if it’s a casual game, if you’re, if you’re playing uh Warzone, is ranked if you’re playing casual Counter-Strike. That is a thing if you’re playing casual, Counter-Strike and every game you jump into. There’S spin botters just Auto killing everyone on the map, you’re not going to want to play the game anymore, you’re not going to recommend it to anyone. It’S a bad experience. Yeah, I think making the argument that cheating is. Theft is one that you could.
You could make your way to not everyone’s gon na agree with you. Is it theft? Well, it is the removal of it is the loss of earnings, so it’s it’s. Some you’re gon na have to come up with a name for it yeah, but it’s definitely something that they might have had that now they don’t have anymore. So is that theft yeah, probably not ex, not not by definition, but it’s harmful there, it’s harmful um. Someone said it’s more like vandalism sure which is also illegal, yeah, yeah vandalism. That’S who said that that’s a really good uh, uh RAM and robot good take good.
Take um. I’Ve got people talking about how well there is a casual mode for Rocket League. Sure fine cool, but putting that still it still sucks it still sucks. But if casual mode was allowed, cheating well, then yeah sure fine, then everyone can just play it.
Everyone can just have their trainers on or whatever they call cheap clients these days, um yeah. No. I I I I’ve, I’m split on this one. I don’t know I don’t know, I I’m not a huge fan of of the precedent being set here, even though, obviously some stuff went down yeah. I think the precedent is very concerning, but I but again we need to know more about the case. I am overall supportive of of cheaters, especially those commercially uh, benefiting from cheating being punished. I think it’s not it’s not cool like if someone man, if someone made a device that your kid could wear to the playground and it immediately sucked all the fun out of the jungle gym for everyone else. Would that would would they be allowed to take that to school? Would those devices get banned if they just you know if they were like if it was like a dementor, you know hit everyone else on the on the jungle gym and it just completely removed the fun from their activity. Like I, it’s it’s one of those things where it’s just like. Is it illegal, not illegal? I don’t know, but obviously no one would be down with it and it wouldn’t take long for people to be like.
No, that’s not cool, and you shouldn’t do that anymore. Um, but for some reason, because we don’t have to be face to face with people, cheating just keeps happening. Of course we’re not qualified to talk about it is we can. We can discuss our our feelings on a matter yeah. Any gamer is qualified to talk about cheating, yeah, we’re not trying to say we’re legal experts like nope.
I have never said that chillax um, oh very slight, correction. By the way, last week during the Lenovo Legion go story, I seemed to imply at one point that the Rog Ally was more powerful than the legion Go. Full transparency, guys uh Lenovo wasn’t stoked on that, but that wasn’t my intention. They they have the same processor. The ryzen Z1 extreme uh, when I was talking about it, I was comparing the Rog Ally to the steam deck.
I don’t have a legion go. I have. I have not made any comparison. I was making comparisons between devices that I own and have used um. So there’s that also, I, I think, there’s an assumption among some people that we mean that this should result in jail time.
No lots of things are illegal without resulting in jail time like you’re not allowed to park anywhere. You want, but it’s like it’s a fine. It’S not jail time. It’S a level of enforcement. Yes, .