Hi, this is Wayne again with a topic “AMD and Intel’s Next Generation”.
General consensus on ryzen 7000: these are some incredible chips that are bringing massive gains like 20 to 30 improvements over their last gen counterparts in gaming and productivity. The 7950x is undoubtedly the fastest mainstream CPU available and dominates everyone in productivity tasks, but the expense of the platform is a real issue. Is this? Is this AMD? I’M talking yeah, that’s weird, or is this Intel you, don’t you don’t think like insanely, so my understanding is yeah. The boards are like 500, each yep, that’s crazy, that we are seeing prices that are lower now. That was just right at launch we’re seeing as low as 250 bucks for an ASRock, x670 PG, x670 EPG lightning, but am5 only supports ddr5, which remains twice as expensive per gig as comparable ddr4 and the other issue, as we outlined in our review, is that amd’s Own ryzen, 7, 5800 X 3D has gaming performance that matches that of the new 7700x and only legs behind the ryzen nines by like a couple of percent on average.
So for gamers, the upgrade to am5 is currently not looking like a great value, especially because am4 boards and chips are cheap and cheerful and here’s the a thing you can look at am4 and you can go well. There’S no upgrade path, and that’s nice, but not everybody can actually afford the latest generation version of the am4 platform. I have never been super sold on on board, upgrade paths. What if you are buying a ryzen 2000 today, because you want to like get a deal. Okay, am4, for you has an upgrade path.
A couple years from now, three years from now boom, you go ryzen 5000. With that same board, you just got a big upgrade and probably for cheap yeah right. So fair enough, you got ta! Think not! Everybody is thinking in terms of brand new today, yeah um and, and especially these days, we’re like okay, the performance jumps we’re seeing on some of the hardware.
That’S coming out is immense, like actually just huge yeah, but the performance that people need at the same time to reach like competitive frame rates and stuff is not huge and it’s not increasing at anywhere near the same rate. So the gap between people’s computer upgrades is getting like, bigger and bigger and bigger. As far as I can tell so, you don’t necessarily need to upgrade your CPU within generation every single time, but you definitely don’t want to upgrade at all if the motherboard’s minimum cost is 500, which again it’s gone down, but still that’s really intense um.
When we looked at productivity, the 7600x and 7700x were another issue. They Don’t Really offer compelling performance over Intel’s 12th gen mainstream chips, although they’re higher core counts uh. Oh though, the higher core counts on the 7900x and 7950x allow them to run away with the productivity Crown, but that’s an issue has AMD done it again. Have they gone from the expensive brand? That’S not really competitive in the mid-range and low end foreign. There have also been concerns expressed by the community around how hot these chips get.
They will often run at 95 degrees on the hottest core before dialing back, but AMD says that this is by Design and if you want, you can Target 115 degrees with an overclock before throttling and hard crashes will happen. So far, we’ve been unable to get any of our chips to run hotter than 105 and we’re not sure why my current computer, like Heats my house, I don’t I don’t need more of that. Well, here’s the thing how hot the dye is in degrees Celsius is not indicative of how much heat it outputs. You could have a router that has its CPU running at 100 degrees, Yeah, Yeah Yeah.
It’S not outputting a lot of heat. The Thermals are just not being properly managed. You could have a 300 watt chip that is running at 70 degrees with liquid cooling on it, and it is still kicking 300 watts into your room. It’S just not running hot. If you guys kind of understand what I mean conservation of energy, all right, it doesn’t matter what temperature it’s at it matters, how much actual uh Power it is consuming and therefore thermal energy. It is outputting in terms of maintaining room temperatures yeah. What were you going to say? Uh der Bauer did some stuff with that as well. Is that in here yeah he delighted the 7900 I dropped like? I think I think it was like 20 degrees or something yeah. So there is some speculation that AMD may have sacrificed thermal performance to maintain cooler compatibility with am4 coolers, in which case good guy AMD. But I haven’t seen any confirmation of that um. What we didn’t touch on in our review performance scaling with ram speeds, so we’ll have to follow that up.
I was gon na say that was kind of interesting to me and immediately made me think, like okay, there’s going to be another video eco mode, uh, a lower power consumption mode for the CPU and manual overclocking. Now, in the same week, actually the next day Intel didn’t launch but announced their 13th gen processors uh, with most of the details really being around the flagship. 13900K 5.8 gigahertz turbo 24 cores now 16 of those are efficiency or e-course, and only eight of them are their performance course, but 24 cores and their e-cores aren’t that slow they’re like Skylake level like they’re, not they’re, not bad and 589 dollars. Uh. The presentation was kind of fun: 24 performance Improvement in games in some games. One game – it’s League of Legends – I think it was League of Legends – didn’t know it was one it’s like League of Legends or dodo. I thought it was going to be like two or three at least 34 faster in game development, blender, ue5, uh, the core i5 and cry 7, see similar but lesser improvements to speed cash, size and core count, and the real winner is efficiency.
Gains. Okay, Intel alleges that at 65 Watts the 3900k, so they also, I guess, might have like a similar eco mode. Uh performs on par with a 12 900k at 241 watts in a multi-threaded workload.
That’S a quarter of the power consumption. If that holds true, the big one, though, is that Intel is gon na have the affordable platform yeah. You can pick up a 13th gen chip, a z690 board rather than 790, because 790 only adds some more Gen, 4 lanes and USB bandwidth.
So you can get a last gen border b660 board doesn’t matter as long as it’s got a good enough vrm, you get some ddr4 memory, you throw this 13th gen chip on there and to be clear. We are going to check this out for you guys we’re going to make sure that with ddr4 it actually performs well um and you’re going to be able you’re going to have like a latest gen platform for literally hundreds of dollars less. I don’t necessarily think the motherboard thing is going to stay the same, though, if we’ve already seen the availability pop up with boards that are half the price of what we’re originally talking about. No okay, so no amd’s boards will come down.
The boards will come down, but they haven’t launched their budget chipset yet and for 13th gen neither has Intel, but because you’re able to use a last-gen board and all you’re missing out on is some pcie Lanes on the on the South Bridge. I don’t know what they call it anymore, but whatever the motherboard, chipset IO Hub, because you’re just missing out on some pcie lanes and USB ports for gamers you’re, not giving up anything, you go for your last gen board with the Cheapo mainstream chipset. You put your latest gen chip. You put your last gen memory, that’s another thing: ddr5 yeah, it’s going to come down in price, but it sure, as heck isn’t today yeah and you might be building a system today.
Now this is the kind of competition I love to see because it’s going to be back and forth for 14th gen right, Intel’s, probably going to do their thing where a socket socket compatibility is only maintained for two generations, so it’ll be a whole new platform with Whole new, expensive boards right, meanwhile AMD is going to have budget like B 760, or I I forget, what their what their budget boards are going to be called for this new platform, six something anyway, whatever they’re going to have new boards ddr5 might be closer to Price parity by that point and amd’s all of a sudden going to look like the good bet. I I but I love it, it’s back and forth. It’S it’s punches and you know I I just I I love seeing them duke it out. I love okay.
A lot of people say they want competition, but they don’t really want competition. They want someone to make a product. That’S like good enough to keep the brand that they like honest and they’re, just going to buy that brand, no matter what that other company comes out with, but this is true competition. This is this is two real options: yeah, that’s cool, just something! That’S like good enough that that the monopolist can’t price it at whatever they want.
I am I’m stoked. I think the brand Wars are going to cook up because of that, because for the last little, while it’s just been like by AMD by MD by MD, but now that there’s hopefully good arguments both ways depending on like specifically what you’re doing all that kind of Stuff should make things a little bit more interesting and I mean you’ve got mid-cycle refreshes man, mid-cycle refreshes are a thing now amd’s already talking about adding 3D V cash Intel already teased a KS version of this chip at over 5 gigahertz or six rather ah exciting. It’S exciting yeah, it’s good .